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[Gunzaan]

To me, they don’t come off looking like bitches, they come off looking like a team submitting a proposal to try and make the game more enjoyable to watch.

[RingoCStarrQB]

I’m sorry, but this continued push by the Packers just comes across as being little bitches. Just find a way to defeat the push play.

I like the new wording. It doesn't preclude the offense from legally bulldozing a running back or quarterback forward using non-interlocking arms (the Fridge Perry goal line play) and plow blocking. Limits the use of interlocking arms and pushing.
I also agree with APB regarding them little beeches.

[YoHoChecko]

The irony is that the packers have stopped the tush push more than any other team to my knowledge. I believe i recall 4 successful stops, accounting for more than half the successful stops.

I assumed the packers were picked among owners to make the proposal to illustrate that it’s NOT about not being able to stop it.

[lake shark]

Seems like this would be called back under the revised proposal.

[musclestang]

The irony is that the packers have stopped the tush push more than any other team to my knowledge. I believe i recall 4 successful stops, accounting for more than half the successful stops.

I assumed the packers were picked among owners to make the proposal to illustrate that it’s NOT about not being able to stop it.

though we haven't won the recent games, but yes, we have stopped the tush push a few times in recent over the past 2 seasons.

[musclestang]

I think making any contact behind the LOS would leave the game largely intact from what it has been, other than removing the bastardization of the rule by the Eagles in recent history. Football is not meant to be played with ball carrier carrierrs at the point of attack. It doesn't belong in the game.

[Yoop]

Assisting the ball carrier is wrong, especially so prior to crossing the LOS, the tush push should have been stopped as soon as the Eagles started doing it.

[APB]

This new rule proposal seems to prohibit any type of forward assist to the ball carrier. That includes when a player gets stood up and it becomes a scrum-type play as when the offensive lineman pile on from behind to push the runner beyond the sticks or the goal line. Happens all the time.

So instead of a TD or first and goal from the one, it's a penalty and replay down only from 10 yards further back.

I'm not a fan of the tush push but I'm less of a fan of taking those other categorically same type plays away. I am also emphatically against creating yet another rule for referees to subjectively apply (or not to apply when they should) at critical goal line or first downs junctures of the game.

[Pckfn23]

This new rule proposal seems to prohibit any type of forward assist to the ball carrier. That includes when a player gets stood up and it becomes a scrum-type play as when the offensive lineman pile on from behind to push the runner beyond the sticks or the goal line. Happens all the time.

So instead of a TD or first and goal from the one, it's a penalty and replay down only from 10 yards further back.

I'm not a fan of the tush push but I'm less of a fan of taking those other categorically same type plays away. I am also emphatically against creating yet another rule for referees to subjectively apply (or not to apply when they should) at critical goal line or first downs junctures of the game.

I'd have to see it in practice or have clarification, but I think this is similar to all other levels of football where you can't directly assist a runner. If the runner is being tackled you can "block" the defender which in turn moves the runner, but that is indirect.

[lake shark]

They could have just said the rule applies to the player receiving a direct snap.

[Pckfn23]

Not sure who remembers this:


By the rules in NCAA this was illegal.

[Crazylegs Starks]

I don't care about the optics; I fully support the Packers (and the other teams who are too scared to say anything) in this rule change.

[RingoCStarrQB]

Assisting the ball carrier is wrong, especially so prior to crossing the LOS, the tush push should have been stopped as soon as the Eagles started doing it.

Yes. All assisting the runner plays should result in a penalty flag being thrown. End of story.

What about assisting the non-runners, i.e. blocking full back, offensive linemen. Should they be allowed to be pushed forward to clear out area for a ball carrier to move forward? Or should assisting non-runners also be allowed?

This shouldn't be complicated to legislate. I keep thinking about the Mercein Ice Bowl TD play. No Packer illegally pushed anybody. The line plowed forward legally. TD Green Bay!

[lupedafiasco]

I don’t think there is any really way to separate trying to block a player and pushing the ball carrier in real time. I hate the tush push. If there is anything we have learned about sports it’s that when something is wildly successful every team will try to do it and if it’s banned they will find away to adapt and find something that is similar and legal.

I’m good for it being banned. I’d just say make it so that QBs can’t be pushed by their own players. It protects QBs from being in dangerous pile up situations. Then again as I said teams would just do what we did and put the TE as the QB.

[go pak go]

Reading on other team fan forums, it does seem like overall there is mostly support to ban the tush push and go back to pre-2005 rules.

[Gunzaan]

Reading on other team fan forums, it does seem like overall there is mostly support to ban the tush push and go back to pre-2005 rules.

Because it takes away from the enjoyment of watching the game and adds absolutely nothing of value.

[Drj820]

havent read anything above but pretty obvious the packers are taking one for the team as no owner wants to be seen as the pu*** who whines about the tush push and becomes the symbol of the one going after the eagles,

all while the packers are in perfect position to do just that as they dont have an owner, and their head guy is retiring. I assure many other teams are happy the packers are the ones doing this and probably negotiated with them for them to be the ones to do it.

As for my opinion, tush push style plays themselves should be legal because its not automatic for everyone. We saw josh allen fail over and over at it. eagles can pull it off because their qb is not a retard and squats 500 lbs. That said, i thought there was a rule against pushing ball carriers forward?? Thats the rule that should be reinstated. Cant get behind the qb and actually propel him forward rugby style. but any other variation should be allowed.

[musclestang]

I don't think any offensive player should be allowed to push another at any point, but especially behind the LOS. We line up blockers and ball carriers. The Eagles have ball carrier carriers now. Defenders can't use other defenders to attack a point on the offensive line, defenders can't use another defender to propel themselves towards or over the offense either. Every single rule favors the offense. The least they can do is make them play by actual football rules.

[Yoop]

Assisting the ball carrier is wrong, especially so prior to crossing the LOS, the tush push should have been stopped as soon as the Eagles started doing it.

Yes. All assisting the runner plays should result in a penalty flag being thrown. End of story.

What about assisting the non-runners, i.e. blocking full back, offensive linemen. Should they be allowed to be pushed forward to clear out area for a ball carrier to move forward? Or should assisting non-runners also be allowed?

This shouldn't be complicated to legislate. I keep thinking about the Mercein Ice Bowl TD play. No Packer illegally pushed anybody. The line plowed forward legally. TD Green Bay!

IMHO we have two issues, 1st is assisting the ball carrier prior to LOS, that's not the standard QB sneak the Eagles are doing, and 2nd is pushing the ball carrier past the los.

a certain amount of the 2nd has always been allowed, but pushing the ball carrier forward pre los, IMHO is a result of lousy officiating, it's easy to see a push, and the refs did nothing as the Eagles were so blatent doing it.

to me it cheapens the game, next we wont be drafting blockers and tacklers, we'll be drafting pushers, big as a house, dumb as rocks, not the path the NFL should be taking.

[go pak go]

havent read anything above but pretty obvious the packers are taking one for the team as no owner wants to be seen as the pu*** who whines about the tush push and becomes the symbol of the one going after the eagles,

all while the packers are in perfect position to do just that as they dont have an owner, and their head guy is retiring. I assure many other teams are happy the packers are the ones doing this and probably negotiated with them for them to be the ones to do it.

As for my opinion, tush push style plays themselves should be legal because its not automatic for everyone. We saw josh allen fail over and over at it. eagles can pull it off because their qb is not a retard and squats 500 lbs. That said, i thought there was a rule against pushing ball carriers forward?? Thats the rule that should be reinstated. Cant get behind the qb and actually propel him forward rugby style. but any other variation should be allowed.

I mean this has been discussed for a while now.

The rule to not allow aiding or pushing the ball carrier was ended after the 2005 season. They ended the rule to remove subjectivity for the refs (determining if it's pushing the ball carrier or being a blocker) and another thing to officiate. Removing the rule didn't impact the NFL for 15 years until the Eagles took advantage of the rule and now everyone is screaming.

So there is a push to basically go back to the 2005 rule but as many have mentioned here...there is concern of adding another subjective rule for the refs to officiate.