Jaire

[Drj820]

Maybe packers should just plan to bring in or trade for veterans like they did X. Seems to be a more reliable path for the current FO.

I can only think of two CBs we drafted in the last 25 years outside of Jaire that turned out to be anything.

1. Mike McKenzie
2. Casey Hayward

Otherwise all of our other competent CBs have been Free Agents or trades.

Al Harris, Charles Woodson, Tramon Williams, Sam Shields, Rasul Douglas.

The Packers are just horrible at drafting CB. And I bet you CB is the most spent premium draft capital we have utilized the last 25 years.

So whenever I hear "Packer type" when looking at CB...I know to move on in terms of draft crush because the Packers type is the last type I want.

Corners are not that expensive and with the cap going up we could afford one top end one. May need to just give those picks to other positions and save the money each year to bring in a couple guys.

[Labrev]

I will say, I feel a bit more inclined to keep him now than before the draft, not because we didn't go CB early, but because we didn't go defense at all early. I was firmly in the camp of Let Him Go.

But I don't have any problem with us moving on for peanuts, either.

[Yoop]

Maybe packers should just plan to bring in or trade for veterans like they did X. Seems to be a more reliable path for the current FO.

I can only think of two CBs we drafted in the last 25 years outside of Jaire that turned out to be anything.

1. Mike McKenzie
2. Casey Hayward

Otherwise all of our other competent CBs have been Free Agents or trades.

Al Harris, Charles Woodson, Tramon Williams, Sam Shields, Rasul Douglas.

The Packers are just horrible at drafting CB. And I bet you CB is the most spent premium draft capital we have utilized the last 25 years.

So whenever I hear "Packer type" when looking at CB...I know to move on in terms of draft crush because the Packers type is the last type I want.

draft offense, buy defense

[Acrobat]

I know Silverstein has his sources, but it seems a bit odd that Jaire is taking part in off season stuff with the Packers. If they are really done with them, then I guess they could be building up his value. Otherwise, I'd say keep him this year and hope his injury fortunes turn around.

[lupedafiasco]

I know Silverstein has his sources, but it seems a bit odd that Jaire is taking part in off season stuff with the Packers. If they are really done with them, then I guess they could be building up his value. Otherwise, I'd say keep him this year and hope his injury fortunes turn around.

One thing I heard was Jaire practicing puts pressure on the organization because if he gets hurt all trade value goes out the window.

[paco]

I know Silverstein has his sources, but it seems a bit odd that Jaire is taking part in off season stuff with the Packers. If they are really done with them, then I guess they could be building up his value. Otherwise, I'd say keep him this year and hope his injury fortunes turn around.

One thing I heard was Jaire practicing puts pressure on the organization because if he gets hurt all trade value goes out the window.

That and it's only been virtual so far. Plus I think he's got a $700,000 bonus if he attends. He's smart to keep the pressure on. He's got all the leverage at this point. Practically untradeable contract and he won't agree to a reduction before or after a trade.

[go pak go]

I know Silverstein has his sources, but it seems a bit odd that Jaire is taking part in off season stuff with the Packers. If they are really done with them, then I guess they could be building up his value. Otherwise, I'd say keep him this year and hope his injury fortunes turn around.

One thing I heard was Jaire practicing puts pressure on the organization because if he gets hurt all trade value goes out the window.

That and it's only been virtual so far. Plus I think he's got a $700,000 bonus if he attends. He's smart to keep the pressure on. He's got all the leverage at this point. Practically untradeable contract and he won't agree to a reduction before or after a trade.

I mean all I really want is for Jaire to want to be a Packer.

Based on his actions over the offseason, it seems he wants to be a Packer more than the Packers want him to be a Packer.

[lupedafiasco]

Yeah I don’t see any way forward but to release him. Can’t imagine a trade working out when there was already one in the table and he refused to renegotiate. He wants to hit the open market and choose his own team and money be damned.

Smells of wanting to go to a rival to show us up.

[musclestang]

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I mean all I really want is for Jaire to want to be a Packer.

Based on his actions over the offseason, it seems he wants to be a Packer more than the Packers want him to be a Packer.

I have no idea what to believe anymore. I think it's as likely he's acting like he wants to be a Packer maybe right now, but as soon as the stuff hit the fan or any type of adversity hit again as it always does in a season, Jaire would be team Jaire in the blink of an eye and the Packer Brass knows this and knows they can't count on it.

At this point, if he's not a Packer i'm putting almost all the blame in his corner. This team has invested way too much in terms of time, resources, money and cover for his latest actions for me to believe they woudln't bring him back if they felt he truly wanted to be a part of this team.

A lot of his me first actions or rumored actions in recent history lead me to believe if he's saying he wants to be a packer, it's only because it suits him at the moment.

[Yoop]

same here.
keeping Jaire till june allows us to spread the dead cap out over two seasons, I agree, Jaire is acting nice because he wants to impress a prospecting team, from what little I've read it has mostly to do with Lafleur and a respect issue, if true, than Alexander has burned this bridge, and could be why we haven't been able to move him, just spiffing.

[go pak go]

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I mean all I really want is for Jaire to want to be a Packer.

Based on his actions over the offseason, it seems he wants to be a Packer more than the Packers want him to be a Packer.

I have no idea what to believe anymore. I think it's as likely he's acting like he wants to be a Packer maybe right now, but as soon as the stuff hit the fan or any type of adversity hit again as it always does in a season, Jaire would be team Jaire in the blink of an eye and the Packer Brass knows this and knows they can't count on it.

At this point, if he's not a Packer i'm putting almost all the blame in his corner. This team has invested way too much in terms of time, resources, money and cover for his latest actions for me to believe they woudln't bring him back if they felt he truly wanted to be a part of this team.

A lot of his me first actions or rumored actions in recent history lead me to believe if he's saying he wants to be a packer, it's only because it suits him at the moment.

Very good point. Jaire has $17 million reasons to want to be a Packer right now. Those reasons go away come Week 1 as he then gets paid no matter what.

But the other side of me says that competitors are competitors. As long as he is healthy the competitor in him will want to win.

[Pugger]

Other than Demvosky has anyone else talked about this supposed rift between Jaire and the Packers'?

[YoHoChecko]

Other than Demvosky has anyone else talked about this supposed rift between Jaire and the Packers'?

Tom Silverstein has in detail. Andy Herman has a lot. Matt Schniedman has, but more speculatively

[Pckfn23]

Now that the draft has come and gone without a trade, I tend to believe Alexander will be on the team this season. There is absolutely no reason not to cut him today if the rift is really that bad. So, that leads me to believe the rift isn't that bad. There is no more trade value, so that's out.

[Yoop]

this makes sense, why take a big cap hit now, versus just waiting another month for a smaller hit and cap savings in 26
UFA isn't over, we could use that saving towards a long term solution, or even trade for one

The optimal time for the Packers to cut or trade Jaire Alexander would be after June 1st. This is because a post-June 1st designation would result in a lower dead cap hit in 2025 and a larger amount of cap savings in 2026.
Here's a breakdown of why:
Dead Cap vs. Savings:
If the Packers cut or trade Alexander before June 1st, they would incur a dead cap hit of $17.04 million in 2025 and only $7.593 million in cap space.
Post-June 1st Savings:
A post-June 1st designation would result in a dead cap hit of $7.8 million in 2025 and $17 million in cap space.
Impact on Future Years:
The Packers would also see a significant increase in cap space in 2026 if the trade is done post-June 1st.
In short, the Packers would save more money in the long run by waiting until after June 1st to cut or trade Alexander.

[go pak go]

this makes sense, why take a big cap hit now, versus just waiting another month for a smaller hit and cap savings in 26
UFA isn't over, we could use that saving towards a long term solution, or even trade for one

The optimal time for the Packers to cut or trade Jaire Alexander would be after June 1st. This is because a post-June 1st designation would result in a lower dead cap hit in 2025 and a larger amount of cap savings in 2026.
Here's a breakdown of why:
Dead Cap vs. Savings:
If the Packers cut or trade Alexander before June 1st, they would incur a dead cap hit of $17.04 million in 2025 and only $7.593 million in cap space.
Post-June 1st Savings:
A post-June 1st designation would result in a dead cap hit of $7.8 million in 2025 and $17 million in cap space.
Impact on Future Years:
The Packers would also see a significant increase in cap space in 2026 if the trade is done post-June 1st.
In short, the Packers would save more money in the long run by waiting until after June 1st to cut or trade Alexander.

Your last sentence is wrong. In the short run the Packers would have $10MM more in cap space to deploy this year if they need to cutting Jaw post June 1 rather than today. In the long run the timing of cut/trade has no impact as everything is flushed through between 2025 and 2026.

Overall we have plenty of cap space available. We have $32MM in cap space available with Top 51 designation. The draft picks we need to sign will probably add a net $6 - $7MM or so to the cap. The other 14 players on the Roster and PSquad will add another $7MM or so. I expect we will have roughly $15 - $20MM in available cap space going into 2025 without cutting Jaw if my math is right.

I'm just not concerned about 2025 cap space.

[Drj820]

Both parties need each other at this point.

Packers need a corner like Jaire even if its for just half the games.

Jaire needs a new contract in two seasons and will want one more big cashout, all while his value has tanked because he cant stay on the field.

Add in developing a reputation as a cancer and he could be costing himself 10s of millions if he refuses to play or acts like a turd.

My gut says this issue is on the Packers FO. They shipped off Rasul when he was the only dog we had on the defense and now several people are begging him back. All because he allegedly was vocal in the locker room about how he didnt like how things were going.

Packers FO feel you cant be a turd and be on their team, even if you are great. I would say putting up with a turd is worth it to an extent if the turd is great.

And its not that Jaire is great..its that we married him by paying him not too long ago as if he is great, plus we now need him on the roster.

Time for Packers to play nice, pay him one more year, and promise to facilitate him to the team of his choosing outside of the north after the season. Cut a handshake deal with him.

Rumors are the trade is difficult because he refuses to restructure. That either says he wants to stay or he wants to just get cut. Probably its that he wants to just be cut. I would not reward him with that desire if he is being the difficult one. Id keep him away from everybody and just pay him and let him ruin his reputation if he refused to play.

Multiple reasons to keep him...the cost is basically sunk, we need him, we shouldnt reward turd behavior but giving him what he wants if he is being the difficult one.

If this front office is against him because hes immature (coin toss debacle), mad he sat out when they said he was ready, or worried he is turning people against the team...new leaders on the team should handle that stuff. The locker room with X and Jacobs should be stronger than one malcontent voice, as long as he is playing good...which he has every reason to play good seeing if hes cut he will need a new deal.

[Pckfn23]

this makes sense, why take a big cap hit now, versus just waiting another month for a smaller hit and cap savings in 26
UFA isn't over, we could use that saving towards a long term solution, or even trade for one

The optimal time for the Packers to cut or trade Jaire Alexander would be after June 1st. This is because a post-June 1st designation would result in a lower dead cap hit in 2025 and a larger amount of cap savings in 2026.
Here's a breakdown of why:
Dead Cap vs. Savings:
If the Packers cut or trade Alexander before June 1st, they would incur a dead cap hit of $17.04 million in 2025 and only $7.593 million in cap space.
Post-June 1st Savings:
A post-June 1st designation would result in a dead cap hit of $7.8 million in 2025 and $17 million in cap space.
Impact on Future Years:
The Packers would also see a significant increase in cap space in 2026 if the trade is done post-June 1st.
In short, the Packers would save more money in the long run by waiting until after June 1st to cut or trade Alexander.

Your last sentence is wrong. In the short run the Packers would have $10MM more in cap space to deploy this year if they need to cutting Jaw post June 1 rather than today. In the long run the timing of cut/trade has no impact as everything is flushed through between 2025 and 2026.

Overall we have plenty of cap space available. We have $32MM in cap space available with Top 51 designation. The draft picks we need to sign will probably add a net $6 - $7MM or so to the cap. The other 14 players on the Roster and PSquad will add another $7MM or so. I expect we will have roughly $15 - $20MM in available cap space going into 2025 without cutting Jaw if my math is right.

I'm just not concerned about 2025 cap space.

It's also wrong because we can cut Jaire today and designate him a Post-June 1st release. There is just no need to keep Jaire around if the rift is that bad.

[Drj820]

Working it out is the only thing that makes sense for both parties

[YoHoChecko]

If they figure out a way to keep Jaire, I will look at this offseason so differently.