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Ayomanor definitely is a guy who felt very Packersy to me since some time ago.
He is also one of several Day 2 WR prospects with an annoying amount of conflicting opinions over play speed. Ditto Royals, Higgins, Harris, Bech, Egbuka, somehow even Golden. All of these guys have some scouts who say they have the speed to be at least a respectable vertical threat, or their speed is not good enough to do that at the pro-level and they should be viewed as slot- and/or possession-receivers.
Ayomanor apparently ran mid-4.4 which coupled with his good height is definitely encouraging for his ability to be that, but then Golden ran a 4.29 and some are still not convinced that even he's truly a burner at the next level.
Not a great class to need that type of WR.
Jack Bech is a bit slower, but have heard no reports on poor play speed, and he is walk on ready, another player with high and low grades, but the 3rd round grades still say he wont need a long transition, another who i think will be long gone by our 3rd round pick, player groups tend to go off the board in bunches, and I think well see that with these recievers, jmo.
I’ve had significantly less time with my evaluations this year with me getting ready to move overseas. I have tried to spend more time deep diving a lot of the deeper players but wanted to take another look into the 1st round. If Mykel starts to fall that is a player Gutenbumst needs to move up for. As a run defender he’s one of the best, if not the absolute best in the class. On top of that he dominated top tier talent in playoff atmospheres.
On classic Gutenbumst fashion I do expect him to just stay put and take Kenneth Grant.
Jack Bech is a bit slower, but have heard no reports on poor play speed, and he is walk on ready, another player with high and low grades, but the 3rd round grades still say he wont need a long transition, another who i think will be long gone by our 3rd round pick, player groups tend to go off the board in bunches, and I think well see that with these recievers, jmo.
Bech reminds be of Tyler Boyd. I think he’s fine and probably ends up as a good player. He’s not the answer to anything we need here. I think if teams man up they will lock down Bech. I think in early down scenarios he will do just fine because he blocks well and does a great good getting open in zone and securing catches. Against man I don’t think he has what it takes to get open.
On classic Gutenbumst fashion I do expect him to just stay put and take Kenneth Grant.
I'm starting to get the same inkling. I don't think Grant is necessarily their ideal selection in this draft class, but I think he's highly likely to be there and will be a guy they like a lot, so he's a good bet for us at 23. He is the Gary/LVN of DTs (take that as you will).
Also, it's not a Packers draft if lupe isn't pissed about it, so...
“Most other nations don't allow a terrorist to be their leader.”
“... Yet so many allow their leaders to be terrorists.”—Magneto
I went on the PFF draft sim and tried to orchestrate the most realistic worst-case scenario for GB in Round 1.
I think it's safe to say that Cam Ward, Ashton Jeanty, and Tyler Warren are locks to go ahead of our pick. But the rest of my picks were all at positions that line up with the most need or value for GB. So, DT, DE (including hybrid LB/DE tweeners like Jihaad Campbell), CB, and WR, plus other guys who are elite/blue-chip e.g. Will Campbell.
So the top 21 selections go (not exactly in this order, but all these guys are gone): Ward, Hunter, Sanders, Tet, Graham, Jeanty, Campbell, Campbell, Barron, Nolen, Warren, Membou, Green, Johnson, Burden, Stewart, Williams, Harmon, Egbuka, Golden. At 22, I had a hard time deciding if I should deprive us of Kenneth Grant or Donovan Ezeiraku (sp?). I ultimately went with Grant.
Best available on PFF's board are Starks, Ezeiruaku (sp?), Simmons, Banks, Pearce, Loveland, Zabel, Norman-Lott, Winston, Amos, Scourton, Conerly, Ayomanor, Morrison, Higgins, Watts, L. Jackson, Bech, Ty. Williams, Hairston, Revel. For some reason they don't seem to have much love for Emmanwori.
Who you got?
“Most other nations don't allow a terrorist to be their leader.”
“... Yet so many allow their leaders to be terrorists.”—Magneto
I went on the PFF draft sim and tried to orchestrate the most realistic worst-case scenario for GB in Round 1.
I think it's safe to say that Cam Ward, Ashton Jeanty, and Tyler Warren are locks to go ahead of our pick. But the rest of my picks were all at positions that line up with the most need or value for GB. So, DT, DE (including hybrid LB/DE tweeners like Jihaad Campbell), CB, and WR, plus other guys who are elite/blue-chip e.g. Will Campbell.
So the top 21 selections go (not exactly in this order, but all these guys are gone): Ward, Hunter, Sanders, Tet, Graham, Jeanty, Campbell, Campbell, Barron, Nolen, Warren, Membou, Green, Johnson, Burden, Stewart, Williams, Harmon, Egbuka, Golden. At 22, I had a hard time deciding if I should deprive us of Kenneth Grant or Donovan Ezeiraku (sp?). I ultimately went with Grant.
Best available on PFF's board are Starks, Ezeiruaku (sp?), Simmons, Banks, Pearce, Loveland, Zabel, Norman-Lott, Winston, Amos, Scourton, Conerly, Ayomanor, Morrison, Higgins, Watts, L. Jackson, Bech, Ty. Williams, Hairston, Revel. For some reason they don't seem to have much love for Emmanwori.
Who you got?
big boards are all over the place on these prospects, both of PFF's have Williams and Walker, the two Georgians late first or mid 2nd round, and according to most top 100's both go top 20, I suspect Williams dropped because of last year, and Walker do to size, Jalon Walker has been a fav for a month, be interesting to see who and when he's drafted, they also have Golden late first and early 2nd, so that makes me think they put these boards together while hung over on Jack Daniels
I've also liked Ezeiruaku of the edge players that may be available, he's just a bit smaller than the guys Guty seems to prefer.
The encouraging thing is, the Top-22 will almost definitely not shake out like that. OL is a problem league-wide so I think Banks, Simmons, and/or Zabel have a good shot at going earlier. S's are not valued very highly in the draft but I could still see one going there. QBs OTOH are over-valued so Sanders has a good shot of going, even Dart could sneak ahead of us. RBs are also making a comeback so that Hampton kid could help us by getting drafted early, maybe even a surprise pick for someone like Henderson (think back to DET surprising everyone by taking Gibbs way earlier than expected).
1-2 of the receivers and/or 1-2 of the top defenders, should be there at 23. I'm starting to think Harmon will be gone because that's how this always goes, but still.
“Most other nations don't allow a terrorist to be their leader.”
“... Yet so many allow their leaders to be terrorists.”—Magneto
If Jihaad Campbell is there, how interested are we?
My only hangup is he needs some refinement and our LB coach is new, plus our org has a bad track-record there in general. He's not necessarily pro ready from Day 1. Yet I think he is much more of a natural and further along than the guys we have tried to develop there.
He's kind of like Quay Walker, as a guy with the athleticism to be a chess piece as a second-level defender, but with Quay that was pure projection based on traits, whereas Campbell has the traits but has also already been used that way, and produced.
As a bonus, two birds with one stone. We need bodies at LB and some juice in the pass-rush, and we can get both from him.
So, do Packer fans want Jihad?
“Most other nations don't allow a terrorist to be their leader.”
“... Yet so many allow their leaders to be terrorists.”—Magneto
I would love Jihaad if we had never taken Quay. I know that's a sunk cost fallacy, but I am SICK of investing high-level resources to off-ball LB. I think Cooper was a good 2nd round pick, but we have a recent 1st and 2nd round pick at off-ball LB right now? Let's stick with stocking it on Day Three for a minute and see what we can unearth with lesser resources.
So everyone and their mother says Minnesota is trying to trade down. They only have 4 picks. And their first pick is right after us.
I LOVE trading down but in this draft specially, I think the value comes in the mid-rounds. It would really amuse me if we were basically willing to match what we think people would package for pick 24 and take it for pick 23 both because we'd get to trade down and because it would rob Minnesota of likely picks since it's less likely that two teams would be trading up to the same spot.
A lot of trades at the back of round one do not involve QBs. People talk ad nauseum about teams trading back into Rnd one for a QB but it is not necessarily the most common reason to move. That said, THIS year, there seems to be a decent amount of specific scuttlebutt about the Giants and Browns and to a lesser degree, Saints targeting specific guys as their "QB 2 or QB3 this year," and wanting to ensure they have their pick of that tier.
So I thought I'd just throw out some deals that might make sense. As always, I base my trades on the classic trade value chart because there's tons of evidence the Packers and other teams use this as a strong guideline to building their accepted offers over the years.
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Each of these scenarios leaves the Packers leaving 10-30 points on the value table which a) is perfectly common when trying to find trades that work, but b) accounts for the fact that they could easily wait a pick and get the deal for the Viking's pick which is worth about 20 points less than ours.
for those mocking, I found another simulator. Not too bad. Found someone on Reddit who created it. Has most of the features I like and isn't behind a pay wall. https://mockdrafthero.com/
A few years ago, I felt like i was taking crazy pills because we kept talking about a 5'10" system QB (Young) when there was a prototypical high-performing guy from Ohio St who ripped up the outstanding Georgia defense in a playoff game (lost, tho) right there (Stroud). Like it just didn't comply to football common sense.
This yeah is giving me similar vibes but broadly, not specifically. I dunno if that means the common media talk is wrong or that the league is upside down (like it was with Young and Stroud). But...
Everyone has two good-but-not-great TEs in the top 20. 2-3 RBs going in round one. OTs and pass rushers falling. Absolute garbage QBs being discussed as solid second rounders who could sneak into the first.
I have no idea what has taken over the talk right now, but my mock is going to be very different and I'll probably just get washed in the contests. But this is all nuts, right? Tyler Warren and Colston Loveland? Top 20? What is this. Why does everyone think the Colts' top need is a tight freaking end? Their team is garbage.
A few years ago, I felt like i was taking crazy pills because we kept talking about a 5'10" system QB (Young) when there was a prototypical high-performing guy from Ohio St who ripped up the outstanding Georgia defense in a playoff game (lost, tho) right there (Stroud). Like it just didn't comply to football common sense.
This yeah is giving me similar vibes but broadly, not specifically. I dunno if that means the common media talk is wrong or that the league is upside down (like it was with Young and Stroud). But...
Everyone has two good-but-not-great TEs in the top 20. 2-3 RBs going in round one. OTs and pass rushers falling. Absolute garbage QBs being discussed as solid second rounders who could sneak into the first.
I have no idea what has taken over the talk right now, but my mock is going to be very different and I'll probably just get washed in the contests. But this is all nuts, right? Tyler Warren and Colston Loveland? Top 20? What is this. Why does everyone think the Colts' top need is a tight freaking end? Their team is garbage.
The very little I've started to dive into this draft and I had the same thoughts! I hadn't heard of Omarion Hampton until today (yes, that's my fault). I swear a month ago Jaxson Dart was a possible Day 3 guy.
I was wondering if I should go with the flow, or just do something completely different for my round 1 mock. I think it's a good year for me to done next to no research. Those are the years I typically do the best in March Madness!
I don’t have Loveland in my first either. I don’t understand it. I definitely don’t understand Warren in the top 10 either. I can see both Jeanty and Hampton going in the first but that’s it and again I think Jeanty will last till 10 if not way past that.
I’m not even understanding the Jalon Walker thing. He’s a fine edge and a fine LB but so undersized.
I can definitely see Milroe going in the 1st though. If I’m taking a QB I’m swinging for big arms and athleticism. I would have taken Anthony Richardson if I needed a QB but I look like I’ll be wrong there even though that whole QB class are a bunch of bums.
Like I said in another post. If Williams somehow falls that should absolutely be a player we are moving up for. I think he’s easily the 2nd best edge in this class and it’s not even close. Walker and Stewart should be significantly lower than Williams.
If I had a nickel for every time a GM says we take BPA it would pay for your education at Princeton these last 40 years, or since UFA started, it's rare that our team is at this point where we don't need our top draft picks to start, and it's debatable if even true this season, as Guty also said, we have to improve pass rush from our base 4, and we may have to replace production lost from Kenny Clark, he's 30 and who knows if he'll bounce back, either way a pass rusher seems a obvious need.
